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I think at a minimum the article should also mention whomever wrote the lyrics, if known, and the approximate date the lyrics were written. I also feel one could easily start a list of movies in which the song has a prominent appearance, such as "The Devil's Brigade". I suppose "Braveheart" will be on the list but I haven't seen it, so I can't say.

-- 16:07, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Impossible song[edit]

"There is also an alternate set of lyrics by John McDermott 'Scotland Forever,' sung to the same tune" can't possibly be sung to the same tune. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I've tried to make it fit in my head and it simply doesn't, as you point out. In which case, it bears no relavance to Scotland the Brave and shouldn't be on the article page. I will remove it. Tpacw (talk) 18:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

You have to be joking.

Can't possibly be the same?

Tried to make it fit and can't?

What do you call this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I know both versions and it's definitely the same tune, so I returned the McDermott lyrics. --Duncan MacCall (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

It's execrable, but the words can be made to fit the tune. Why you'd want to, though, is another question. Calum (talk) 09:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I've heard both, and own John McDermott's version. Definitely the same tune. He claims in the album jacket that it's the oldest words he could find. Should this be mentioned perhaps? Also, this version is also called 'Scotland the brave' according to the album jacket, not 'Scotland forever.' You'll notice that the phrase 'Scotland forever' never appears in the song, whereas 'Scotland the brave' does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:23, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Fourth Verse?[edit]

I've read lyrics that have a fourth verse that goes like this:

Hot as a burning ember,
Flaming in bleak December
Burning within the hearts
Of clansmen afar!
Calling to home and fire,
Calling the sweet desire,
Shining a light that beckons from every star!

They can be found here and here. I don't know how often this verse is heard or used, or if it's part of the original song or anything, but it may be worth noting that it does exist. --Hazey Jane 07:34, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

"Probably the best known"?[edit]

I've taken out the "Probably the best known" clause. It's not cited, and seems to me totally untrue. "The Flower of Scotland" is almost undoubtedly the best known candidate for a scottish national anthem, due to it being used universally at football and rugby matches participated in by the scottish national teams. 18:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure, but I bet it is the best known "Bagpipes song" in the world other than Amazing Grace. At least in the US if you said, "That song they always play on the Bagpipes", it's understood that you mean "Scotland the Brave". BillyTFried (talk) 20:04, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


I'm going to try to assimilate the trivia section into the main body as trivia sections are genereally not particularyl good form in an article. I've removed the following claim as it is useless without more detail ot a link to the film, it nmakes no sense, why was it anachronistic? --Brideshead 19:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Because Shackleton was wandering around the Antarctic round about 1912-14, some forty years before the song was written. Calum (talk) 09:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I've also removed this upon research.

It doesn't really make sense, also there is no mention if this here - [1] and I can't see how these lyrics would fit the tune. Feel free to retore it if anyone can provide a reference. --Brideshead 19:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


I've taken out the concert information as that's not directly related to the song, but I'm not sure how I go about adding a disambig for the new article I created at Scotland the Brave (concert). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prof Wrong (talkcontribs) 13:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Collapsible Lyrics Boxes[edit]

Am I the only one who thinks the collapsible lyrics boxes are awkward and aesthetically displeasing? Why are the lyrics presented this way anyway? Is there anything wrong with just presenting the lyrics in some consistent form, each set in their own section? I hate these boxes! Who's with me? Mitchell k dwyer (talk) 09:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

= i hate it and have seen no other song page that did this (talk) 05:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Thought this article was about Scotland the Brave?[edit]

Shouldn't information about the tune and variants be in a side note than in the main article? It says who originally wrote the lyrics to Scotland the Brave, so that's what should be the main focus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:23, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. And where are the lyrics? Why aren't they given? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:00, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Possible copyright violation[edit]

Copyright query[edit] (talk)

The lyrics appear to be a copyright violation, given that Cliff Hanley only died 12 years ago and the other author may be still alive. However we still have an encylopedic article without the lyrics. PatGallacher (talk) 09:42, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Yet another lyric?[edit]

During the middle 1960s, a disc jockey in my hometown played a song which combined the tune of "Scotland the Brave" with a lyric that contained the phrases, "I want a woman, any kind of a woman" and "a woman with a rose in her hair." The recording was performed by a large male vocal group (a chorus, as opposed to the quartet that was the Ames Brothers). Does anyone have any idea of what the title of this lyric, or the performer, might be? StavinChain (talk) 00:27, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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Authorship of Melody[edit]

I play the Highland bagpipes (since childhood), and have always supposed, like most I guess, that it was a song first. However, I have heard that it was a pipe tune first, and then had lyrics written to the melody. I have no real source for this of course, but if there is truth to it, I think someone in the piping community might have info. I guess I should research.. Spettro9 (talk) 04:50, 31 July 2016 (UTC)spettro9

You'll have noticed, then, that as the range of the bagpipes does not fully reach an entire musical scale, most songs originally intended for other instruments (such as Flower of Scotland) have to be "adapted" (that is, have some of the notes of their tunes slightly changed) to be accommodated by the pipes. But this does not occur with Scotland the Brave, surely at least suggesting that the pipes may have been the instrument of its original composition.
Nuttyskin (talk) 15:03, 11 November 2019 (UTC)


Why does the "Scotland The Brave/ Alba an Àigh" thing make itself (and the article itself) get longer? Is this a bug? Please help. Thanks, Huff slush7264 19:57, 19 September 2018 (UTC)